As I have been learning more about Holistic Management the past years, I'm getting more and more convinced it would be the ideal approach to gain a profit from the 10 hectare land trust PermaLot owns in Bouzov Svojanov. However we now live in Norway.

We offer free use of 10 hectares of land in Bouzov Svojanov to someone wiling to do holistic management with sheep grazing. -A herd of 25-40 sheep is likely optimal.
The land is ideal for the purpose with plenty of shade under an orchard canopy. Additional income from apple harvest is possible.
You would need to supply your own sheep, mobile fencing and temporary living arrangement in Bouzov Svojanov. There's a well on the property and possibility for electricity/internet.
Basic thing is: We supply the land, you do everything else and gain the profit from it.

We expect you to be mature and responsible, as well as knowledgable about the Alan Savory approach to Holistic Management.

More information:
http://www.savoryinstitute.com/

To those of you who are curious:
This is what needs to be done every day:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10151817002616288&set=vb.3...

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All the land was cut and branches cleaned away during summer of 2014. Very limited fruit on the 1000+ appletrees which are close to 50 years old and should be cut if area is to be maintained as productive orchard.

Excellent castle view! ....Here's a photo from 2002

PermaMax: I have been trying to apply the holistic management principles for more than 5 years and i have a few comments. 10 ha (25 acres) for 25 - 40 sheep would not work at all during the spring / early summer season. To get a good effect you need around 15 - 20 sheep per ha (ewes and the lambs). Even if the holistic management is not the same as mob grazing (or rotational grazing), you are looking for the same results. How did you calculate your stocking rate?

The other thing to consider is the species. If one of your goals is to have profitable lamb production, the lambs do not prosper well on the grass longer than 30 cm, basically about the 30 days old (for the sake of this post i am oversimplifying, and not considering the grass species, legumes, other plants etc).

Next is the potential problems caused by the apples falling, and being eaten by the sheep. The temporary abundance of the fruit is often causing digestion issues for the sheep

To some up my experience, with 25 - 40 sheep on 10 ha, you will not be able to manage holistically the orchard. A part (a bigger one) would need to be harvested for hay or mulched. With sheep, you have very short optimal grass growth stage and due to their wool they are very hard to contain within the electric fences. The cattle is much easier to contain and can utilize better the suboptimal forage, but they are big and dangerous.

Savory's work has undoubtedly been proven in vast tracts of land in desertification prone areas, but up to my knowledge its mostly former savannah, not a former wood with relatively short growing season. I have yet to see a good example in continental climate. I am very much looking forward to  your experiences.

Lovely answer: Very appreciated!

I see I need to explain myself better:
1) I don't have any experiences and don't care personally how many sheep will be grazing. It's up to whoever wants to take on the challenge. It's also a possibility to have other (small) animals, poultry or whichever.
2) Apart from a RAD workshop with Darren Doherty in 2011 and learning bits and pieces online, my knowledge comes from a recent talk by a young Norwegian researcher, Anders Kopstad, who graze between 25-40 sheep 10 months yearly on 10 hectares, hence my suggested herd size.  He can be found on FB: https://www.facebook.com/anders.kopstad.7?fref=ts   ...and he runs this page: https://www.facebook.com/dennyevin
-I may get around to share my notes from his lecture here one of these days
3) Great point about fallen fruit. Fact is that during the past 5 years it's been more normal to have 1-2 apples a tree than not. In some areas a few trees still produce some, but it should be possible to fence them out when time comes.
4) To an experienced person like you I need to detail that the apple orchard is around 4,5 hectares, an old jerabiny orchard (now only producing birds berries) is 1 hectare, and there's a 2 hectare 'louka' on the other side of the village; best in case of need for hay, 1 hectare we haven't cut for 13 years as we want it to become a forest, and another few bits and pieces...
5) As far as I understood from Anders's talk, then he's grazing on very tall grasses and his meat fetches premium quality and slightly above average weight.


My experience of keeping 7 sheep during summers in Bouzov Podoli confirms the issue with electrical fences and wool, however with daily shift to new pastures and selectiv breeding (killing off sheep who disrespect fences) then Anders claim to not have such issues. -He also told of a need to 'introduce' lambs to the fence!


frequent moving + shearing twice a year + electric netting -> solved our problems with escaping sheep

I hope you find some people willing to do this. It would be nice to have another example from Czech. Fingers crossed!

this is my very first try of high density grazing :-)

Maly Nomad: To jsou ty pozemky na kterých chceš sledovat vliv intenzivní pastvy na obsah organických látek v půdě?

QNX: to jsou ony. Tenhle pohled je z pozemku ven. Za ovcema je videt roh ohrady. Nase v popredi, cizi v pozadi. Ale sklonem i pudou je to to same.

koukam na to z hloupyho telefonu,ta trava je jak vysoka?

Maly Nomad: Už jsi s tím sledováním změn v půdě začal, nebo je to plán do budoucna?

Here's a couple of photos taken today of part of the orchard and the 2 hectare meadow

mastnacek jo takova nejaka chuda kostrava, vysoka sice cca 50cm ale to jsou jen kvetni stebla. Rikaj ji tu "kozina", "vlasenka". Ta trava na jare vyhodi kvety zacatkem kvetna a pak uz cely rok neroste. Ale udrzuje husty drn a jinych druhu trav je tam minimum. Takze mym cilem je se ji zbavit (vyznamne potlacit) a mit tam cokoliv jineho. Vsechny jine travy jsou  produktivnejsi nez tato. A jeste je zvlastni ze je to tady jedina lokalita cca 20ha kde takhle masivne roste. Jinde to neni tak vyrazne. Doufam ze je to zpusobene prave pravidelnym tezkym kontinualnim prepasanim. Mistni statek tady pasl kravy a tohle bylo jejich oblibene misto, takze pravdepodobne tahle trava je neodolnejsi a prezila to neustale vypasani.  Proto se pokousim o to intenzivni rotacni pastvu, jako opak toho co IMHO tento stav puvodne zpusobilo.

QNX: ne jeste jsem nic nemeril... Porad jeste muzu vzit vzorky i z pudy 2m za plotem kde je puvodni stav (ta pastvina je teprv cerstve rozparcelovana). Driv to bylo x-desitek ha velike pastviny v kuse, s tim ze tenhle svah vypadal vsude stejne. Ale mas recht, mel jsem to uz davno zmerit. tech 120kc za jeden vzorek vy me nezabilo a mel bych neco v ruce.

Maly Nomad: Já ti tu organiku v půdě klidně stanovím, když mi pošleš vzorky. Nebo ještě lépe ...... udělej vzorek, část si zadej v certifikované laboratoři a druhou bych ti udělal já. Ověříme tak, jestli ten analytický postup co jsem ti radil dává stejné výsledky jako ten za 120Kč/ks. Pokud to bude fungovat dobře, můžeme dělat třeba i stovky vzorků a pořádně se díky tomu mrknout na vliv pastevních systémů na půdu.

Maly Nomad + mastnacek: Chcete tu druhovou skladbu změnit úplně, nebo udělat jen přísev? Navrhnout druhovou skladbu pro TTP je docela zajímavý úkol. Jestli je to louka, nebo pastvina, pro jaký druh zvířat to je, jaká je tam půda, jaké vláhové podmínky, ale třeba i jaký režim pastvy a v jaké době se to má sklízet, nebo jak dlouho to má vydržet .........  :-)

PermaMax:

Thanks for the additional information and details. At the end it would come to the local specifics, type / types of soil, precipitation, micro climatic conditions etc. I am not and expert on Bouzov, but to my knowledge its relatively fertile area, maybe the annual rainfall is limited by the neighboring mountains? This was the basis for my previous comments.

With the additional details you provided, 25 - 40 sheep could actually work, with some hayfield and ideally multispecies combination. I agree with Maly Nomad and Anders, daily (or maybe just according to situation - max weekly) movement of the stock, culling of the "escape artists" and frequent shearing should solve some of the problems. The other important information is that the orchard is not really productive, so the fallen fruit should not be an issue and in case of escape the damages to the trees would not be detrimental. It sounds like a feasible operation and i am keeping my fingers crossed for you that you find somebody soon.

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